The US needs a new plan to sell clean power to the world, a top Harris adviser says | Semafor

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Tim McDonnell: Why is it so important to build bigger markets for US clean tech exports?

Brian Deese: If we’re thinking about where the most significant future emissions are coming from, and where the most significant investment and transformation needs to take place in the next couple of decades, it’s outside the United States. So driving the US economic capacity in clean energy, and then scaling that globally is the most credible way we can really accelerate decarbonization globally.

Also, this is what’s most relevant about the analogy of the Marshall Plan. People think about the Marshall Plan in terms of our generosity to Europe in the postwar period. But equally if not more important was an industrial strategy to extend markets for US producers who had built capacity during the war. So a strategy that is as generous to our allies as it is pro-American is both economically and politically the right approach. If we position US innovators to gain a growing share of growing global markets, while also being a generous and reliable partner to a number of strategically important developing countries that are struggling, then we have an opportunity to advance our strategic and economic interests in a significant way.

TM: So how would this work, and how much money are we talking about here?

BD: The first piece is for the US to have a financing authority at the scale and with the flexibility to meet the challenge. And it needs to be able to work with countries that are looking at their own energy transitions and identify where we can use US public capital in a nimble way — loans, loan guarantees, debt, equity — to catalyze project investments. The second piece is what I call a resilience authority, which would give the US a set of new tools to intervene in global markets and make them more stable, like we do with the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, to unlock greater investment. For example, entities that are looking to invest in lithium today are really struggling with the volatility of the lithium price. The third piece is having a realistic, harmonized strategy of tariffs and border adjustments that addresses head-on China’s role in these markets, and encourages greater trade rather than more isolation.

TM: How does what you’re proposing here differ from the approach China has taken up to now in coming to dominate the global clean energy trade?

BD: I don’t think it’s either feasible or advisable to have a view that this is a zero-sum competition between the US and China, or China and the rest of the world. China will continue to play an incredibly important role in global clean energy supply chains. But the strategy that China is employing today, which is explicitly about over-production for export and under-consumption domestically, is not sustainable for the Chinese economy or the global economy. We need to move to an equilibrium that has more balance and more resilience. Building up more diversification in supply chains not only by expanding US export capacity, but also building capacity in other countries. And being prepared to internationalize our approach to tariffs, so that when we are speaking to some of the serious concerns, for example, around Chinese over-capacity in an area like steel, we’re reflecting that it’s not just the US that’s concerned, it’s also Brazil and Vietnam and Canada and Mexico, all bringing trade actions together.

TM: Right, because if your goal was strictly to reach net zero as fast as possible, wouldn’t it be better to just let China make all this stuff as cheaply as possible? Is there a risk that clean tech adoption actually slows down if we’re trying to get countries to buy products from the US that are more expensive?

BD: It’s a super fair question. One, a strategy where China deliberately uses non-market mechanisms to become the dominant producer is not a sustainable strategy to address climate change in the medium term. The idea that China produces everything and everybody else just relies on them is not a viable economic or political strategy. The question is, how do we get to an equilibrium that acknowledges that China will continue to play an important role, but works toward more diversification rather than more domination? The goal here is not to just replace Chinese production with US production, but to build a more stable and diversified base of technologies globally.

TM: Is there a risk that China would respond to a plan like what you’re proposing with more of its own trade restrictions, like we’ve seen over the last year with graphite exports?

BD: It’s a complicated issue that you want to manage carefully. I don’t believe the right strategy is an aggressive, unilateral escalation with China. The proposals on the far end to sort of try to decouple entirely from China are unrealistic. There is a prudent way of engaging China and others to avoid miscalculation. Frankly, one of the reactions I would anticipate is actually in the other direction, that China says, ‘We’re going to double down on the Belt and Road Initiative, make it more generous, less extortionary, and more genuinely green.’ Then you would have helped to move China in a more constructive direction when it thinks about its role outside of China.